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L.L. Horn's avatar

So happy to see more and more veterinarians going down the holistic route. I have seen a decline in the veterinary profession of well qualified and properly trained doctors. The kids coming out of veterinary school now are pharmaceutical based, are not taught intuitive medicine and rely too heavily on tests and technology. I’ve always said good veterinary medicine is more of an art than a science. I have multiple horses and have seen this decline especially among horse vets. All the good ones have retired. Before I decided to “ follow” you I clicked on your nutrition links because I knew if you recommended ultra processed kibble, I wasn’t going to trust you. Nutrition is everything, for all species. You just gained a fan.

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Josie Beug, DVM, CVA's avatar

I have been feeding my own animals raw for 30 years! The pet food industry keeps getting worse amd worse as our food supply goes down the drain.

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NotAMushroom's avatar

Excellent. Congrats on the rollout. I just want to say that people should start insisting on titers, especially rabies titers since one rabies vaccine can last a lifetime. I sent one of my patients into kidney failure with rabies vaccine. Of course, the university denied that it was the vaccine. Not to mention the sarcomas that cats seem to get from those injections. This endeavor might include contacting your state or local government so that the rules can be changed. I understand the groomers insist on these things, but they’re insisting on us hurting peoples pets unknowingly. If they realized they were contributing to chronic illness in pets, maybe they would start to change their profession from the inside also.

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Josie Beug, DVM, CVA's avatar

have you seen the results of the Rabies Challenge Fund? 5 yrs after vax and the group of dogs actually exposed to the virus did not get rabies. Dr Ronald Shultz was my immunology professor.🙏🙏🙏

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NotAMushroom's avatar

I can also tell you that it’s my personal experience that repeated vaccination against rabies in the equine species causes more horrible reactions than I’ve ever seen in any animal.

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Josie Beug, DVM, CVA's avatar

What types of reactions? I have seen some petty strange ones in dogs myself.

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NotAMushroom's avatar

Oh geez and I suspect EOTRH is an autoimmune type vaccinosis.

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NotAMushroom's avatar

Precipitous drop in blood pressure which I’m pretty sure is anaphylaxis, colic, thrombocytopenia, kidney failure, laminitis, erythema multiforme and your garden variety punkiness and myositis. I’ve seen sarcoids regress and disappear after cessation of vaccines also. I suspect that the cases of lymphoma I’ve seen in young horses is related to vaccine administration from a ridiculously young age. I’m sure there’s more but that’s all I can remember off the top of my head this late at night.

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NotAMushroom's avatar

No, I did not see that study however, the AVMA was offering titers at a AAEP conference I was attending in December 2019. I had my titer pulled, of course it was tested at Kansas State University, and my titers were still exuberant to say the least. I had been vaccinated against rabies in 1989 so 30 years later I am still supposedly extremely protected. I would bet it’s no different for dogs and cats.

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Josie Beug, DVM, CVA's avatar

I had a severe reaction with my 1st rabies booster in vet school. They sent me to student services to get a titer instead of take the 2nd and 3 rd shot. It came back so high, the tech told me I would never need another rabies shot and to always show them the titer results so they would not give it to me.

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Josie Beug, DVM, CVA's avatar

That was in 1994. How far we have gone backwards!

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NotAMushroom's avatar

I think it’s because the titers are so high for so long that repeated injections of rabies vaccines can cause very severe reactions like kidney failure or anaphylaxis.

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Josie Beug, DVM, CVA's avatar

If you listen to my Q and A on Petadvocare.com I explain it. Large protein molecules, like antibodies, trigger immune responses. And when they bind to the antigen they are designed to bind to, whether by nature or by genetic engineers, it creates an even larger molecule - an antigen-antibody complex. this is what lodges in the small vessels of the glomeruli of the kidneys. These can also trigger all 4 types of immunemediated reactions. Type 1 is anaphylaxis. Type 4 is an autoimmune, leadine to things like Systemic lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. Sory, im an immunology geek.

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